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Tuesday, March 12, 2019

Can I leave this on?

New RV owners often ask if they can leave the inverter, the fan, or some other appliance on. We all want to understand how long the power in our batteries will last. Newer Pleasure-Way vans include a tool, the Spyder Control Panel, that helps answer this question. If you don't have lithium batteries and a Spyder Control, check out our post on how to install a Smart Gauge.

The Short Answer

On the Spyder Control Panel home screen, a "Loss/Gain Amperage Meter" shows the current in "Net amps." It is the "-4A" shown in the picture. Net amps means the amount of current going into the batteries less the amount being pulled out of the batteries. The secret to learning how much current an appliance uses, is eliminating any current going into the batteries.  Eliminating any incoming current leaves how much current is being used by appliances showing on the meter.  Here are the steps:

1) Turn off any charge sources

2) Turn on only the appliances you are interested in understanding

3) Read the number of amps (A) from the meter (it will be a negative number)

4) Multiply this number times the number of hours you will use the appliance to get the number of amp hours (Ah) that the appliance(s) will draw.

5) Subtract this from your usable battery capacity (160 Ah in the 200 Ah batteries) and you will know how long the appliances can be run without recharging your batteries.

Example: Refrigerator on DC shows -16A. If we run it 10 hours overnight, it will exhaust the the entire 160 Ah usable capacity of the house batteries. That's why we run the fridge on propane whenever we aren't driving! Here are the calculations.

-16 Amps x 10 hours = -160 Amp hours. 

160 Ah usable capacity -160 Ah used = 0 Ah remaining

6) Now go ahead and turn your usual charge sources back on so you don't run out of power.

The Longer Answer

Insure there is no power going into the batteries. Pleasure-Way gives us lots of power sources, so here are all the sources of charging you need to make sure you aren't using before you can measure appliance power usage.

1) Disconnect shore power
2) Turn off the van engine
3) Turn off the generator
4) Turn off solar panels (use the red key) or wait until after sunset

With these off, you can turn appliances on and look at the reading on the Loss/Gain Amperage Meter to see what each appliance, or combination of appliances, pull from your batteries. Here are some of the readings we found in our 2018 Lexor TS.

Amps       Appliance
    -1          Inverter with no load
    -1          Propane Switch (in the on position)
    -1          Two phones charging via USB
    -1          Valence lights
    -3          All interior lights
    -2          TV with antenna amplifier
    -1          Vent Fan at 20%
    -3          Vent Fan at 100%
    -5          Furnace fan
  -16          Refrigerator on DC
-142          Microwave through inverter

Note that these are rounded to the nearest amp because the meter doesn't read less than 1 amp.

Amps is current used at a single point in time. If we want to know how much is being used over a longer period of time, we calculate Amps (A) x Hours (h) to get Amp Hours (Ah).

For example, using the 2 amp TV for 4 hours would consume 8 amp hours from our battery ( 2A x 4h = 8 Ah).

If we run the fantastic fan at 20% and have the propane switch on for eight hours, we'll consume 16 amp hours from our house battery bank ((1A+1A) x 8h = 2A x 8h = 16Ah) .

Boondocking example

Say we want to stay in a park that doesn't allow generator usage or have any plug-in power for three days. Here's how to estimate if there will be enough power. First we estimate how long we will use an appliance each day and calculate how many amp-hours that consumes.

Hrs  Amps    Amp-hrs   Appliance
24     x 1         =  24            Propane Switch
8       x 1         =   8             Inverter
2       x 3         =   6             Fan at 100%
8       x 1         =   8             Fan at 20%
6       x 1         =   6             Lights
                           52            Total

Multiplying hours by amps, then adding up the amp-hours, we get 52 amp hours each day. With no other usage, we would have 3 days worth of power with some to spare 52 x 3 = 156. Subtract that from our 200 amp-hour lithium battery capacity and we have 44 amp hours or a little over twenty percent remaining after three days. Read on to see why that is really closer to zero percent.

Battery Capacity
Although the Lithium batteries in the van have a capacity of 200 amp hours, that isn't the same as usable capacity. Just like cell phones or computer batteries, in order to preserve their life, we shouldn't use more than 80% of the total capacity before recharging. Taking 200 Ah x 80% gives us a usable capacity of 160 Ah.  While it is disappointing that we can't use the total capacity, lithium batteries are considerably better than older wet cell or AGM batteries where only 50% of the capacity is usable. We had a 110 Ah AGM battery in our previous RV that only had 55 Ah of usable capacity. The lithiums in our new Lexor give us almost 3x the usable capacity.

More Input
But wait, don't we have power coming in through the solar panels that can extend our boondocking time?  Yes, if you have solar panels, there is power coming in to offset the appliance consumption. So how much power? Pleasure-Way offers from one to three panels, each rated at 95 watts. Watts doesn't help us much because all our meter shows Amps. To convert watts to amps, we divide by the voltage.  Since our vans run on 12 volt power, divide 95 by 12 to get 7.9 amps. Unfortunately, solar panels aren't 100% efficient, so we need to further reduce this by 35% to get 5.1 amps. Round this to 5 amps and multiply times the number of panels on your van to get the total number of solar amps available. We have three panels so we have (3 x 5 = 15 amps) of solar.

How Much Sun?

If we have 12 hours of daylight, do we get 12 hours x 15 Amps = 180 Ah of charge every day? Unfortunately the answer is no. Solar panels only provide their full output when the sun is close to overhead so they are hit by direct sunlight. A good rule of thumb is to use six hours per day. This gives us 6 hours x 15 amps = 90 Ah added to the batteries every day.

Going back to our boondocking example, if we use 52 Ah each day, but are charging 90 Ah from our solar cells, we won't ever run out of power (90-52 = +38 Ah per day). Note that there are all kinds of things that can reduce solar panel efficiency; heat, shade, clouds, dirty panels etc... so it is good to build a safety margin like the 38 Ah above into your calculations.

How do you know how much solar charge your batteries are getting right now? The Go Power charge controller has a panel that will display that info.

Here the solar panels are adding 4.3 amps to the batteries.  If you don't see this screen, push the "B" button repeatedly to cycle through
Battery Charge %,

(this isn't really an accurate % of charge indicator because it is designed for AGM, not lithium batteries. A shunt based meter would be needed if you really want to monitor power in and out of your battery bank.)

to Amps.

In this case, it was late afternoon and shady, so we weren't seeing the 15 amp maximum our combination of three panels can produce.

If the camping area allows it, you can always start the generator and recharge your batteries, but we prefer the quiet of solar and only use the generator if we really need air conditioning. Note that the air conditioner isn't even wired to the inverter since it would overpower the inverter. Even if the inverter was higher power, the air conditioner would drain the 200 Ah batteries in less than an hour.

The bottom line for us is, with three 95 watt solar panels and the refrigerator running on propane, we run out of water, or fill our holding tanks, long before we run out of electricity.

An electrical engineer could calculate more accurate numbers with an understanding of how capacity is depleted or gained at differing rates of charge, but the above guidelines have been close enough for our purposes.

Some good battery  and charging information is available on-line. One of the best sources is the DIY Instructions area on the AM Solar website --> Click here for link

My reference for all things electrical is the Boatowner's Mechanical and Electrical Manual by Nigel Calder. The most current issue, as of March 2019 is the Fourth Edition (2015). There might be an equivalent book that is specific to RV systems, but this is the most understandable, thorough, and best illustrated book I've found. Please leave a comment, if you have a favorite electrical systems book to recommend.

Sunday, November 11, 2018

Over the Bridge into Largo Time

After four days of fun at the Pleasure-Way Rally we headed north for a visit with mom and dad. On the way we pulled into the Manatee County rest area where we made lunch with a good view of Tampa Bay and the Sunshine Skyway Bridge. The rest areas around the bridge offer lots of good water views. Kite surfing is a popular and fun-to-watch activity along the north shore.
We usually park the van in the parking lot at Mom's church because regulations at the condo don't allow  RV's or motorcycles. This time there was a big event at church so we parked at the condo. Discretely backing into a space at the back of the parking lot we didn't take any more room than many of the trucks and big SUV's owned by residents. Someone did come out and ask about the van, but they weren't complaining–they wanted a tour!
Staying with mom, we are only a short walk from dad's memory care facility. It is always sad to see how Alzheimer's has changed our very creative father into someone who needs help to complete a puzzle made for children. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be for him.

Bikes made the five day visit more fun than usual. We got out every day and enjoyed looking for birds and alligators at local parks.

We'll be back here for Christmas in no time.

Monday, September 3, 2018

Sister Days

Judy and Gary invited Judy's sisters and their families to the lake cottage for Labor Day weekend. Always gracious, they fed us and provided options to relax or play on the water.

Going out for small plates and large desserts was yummy. Saunders Hot Fudge revived childhood memories of a Detroit area treat.

To offset some of the desserts, we did go walking in an area park and found some random bits of culture. Gaylord has put replica artwork from the Detroit Institute of Arts in several places around town. This one is by Charles Harry Eaton, a Michigan artist who lived from 1850-1901.

Everyone gathers on the deck to watch the sun color the evening sky.

Interesting neighbors have woodcarving talent.

A unique fence has different birds on each post.

Beth finally talked Judy into going out on the kayak... and they had fun, although Judy did not want the sail out. She was worried about feeling tippy.

Cousins Mike and Martha dropped in on Sunday. Martha is a natural sailor.

Lou kept watch from the deck.

Gaylord provides plenty of good restaurants and a few even have fudge and ice cream.

David let down his guard a little and let Mom and Dad capture some photos.

It took a day or two of trying, moving him closer and closer to the "yellow boat" or "frog boat"(we called it that after finding frogs like to sleep under the hull on the beach, and we would usually find 3-5 of them every time we moved the boat back into the water) before Beth was successful in luring David onto the boat. She did have to bribe him with kettle corn, that she called boat snacks, that could only be had if he was on the boat. After going out on the sailboat with his dad, David received a new Sailor Monkey shirt from Aunt Beth. It has a cute monkey in a boat on the front, and a small stuffed monkey that goes in the pocket.

Mornings were quiet and sometimes surreal tempting me to walk off the dock into the clouds.

Evening pontoon boat rides are now a tradition requiring two loops of Lake Manuka.

Captain Gary gives great lake tours on the m/v Blue Light Special.

Thanks to everyone for a special long weekend.

Sunday, August 19, 2018

Mom in Michigan

Mom flew in from Florida to take a break from the heat. We enjoyed a week relaxing at the cottage on Lake Manuka and showing her a little of northern Michigan.


Found a "beary" good deli for lunch in Gaylord. The girls also spent most of a morning in a quilt shop in this fun, alpine themed, town.

Back on the deck at Judy's cottage, the tripod, a long lens, and gimbal head helped capture a Northern Flicker on a tree stump next door.

Profile pose...

...and launching.

Mom hadn't seen Lake Michigan so that gave us an excuse to visit Petoskey. Bayfront Park has easy parking and great views of the harbor entrance and Little Traverse Bay.

Looking towards Petoskey State Park and Harbor Springs.

The Crooked Tree Arts Center has works by local artists and a traveling show. Always worth a stop even if just to see the interior of this repurposed historic church.

You can walk or bike on a paved path twenty-six miles along Little Traverse Bay. We hope to return with bicycles some summer.

Sunny and warm weather allowed us to eat outside at Knot Just a Bar in the upscale development at Bay Harbor.

We all enjoyed watching the boats come and go in this very protected marina.

This classic wooden yacht is immaculately maintained.

Just down the road is Eastway Park with upper and lower free parking lots. Both offer great views of the bay.

The upper lot has picnic pavilions and is a good place to enter the wheelway.

Eastway park also offers views of the backyards of some of the smaller homes in Bay Harbor.

From Bay Harbor we drove north along the lake through Harbor Springs. Having read about a beautiful route called the Tunnel of Trees, we decided to continue north and see the sights. Don't do this in a large vehicle! The road is narrow, windy, and doesn't have painted lines on the edges or in the center. There are beautiful homes and pretty views of the lake, but there are very few places to turn around. We made it to Middle Village then bailed and headed east on a "normal" road.  It would be much more fun in our old Mini Cooper.

The week with mom was over before we knew it. Beth drove her back to catch a flight from Grand Rapids while I stayed with Miss Lucy. I think we all had a good time!

Monday, August 13, 2018

Up North; Elks and Meteors

Back when we lived in SE Michigan, people loved to go "Up North" to get away from the city. That meant somewhere north in the "mitten" or lower peninsula of the State. Last summer we spent time in the "UP" or upper peninsula. This summer we're lucky enough to be spending time in the Gaylord area taking care of Beth's sister's dog on a lovely little lake near the top of the "mitten."

Miss Lucy is the reason we're here. Shortly after we took over her care, she stopped eating and had obvious pain in her mouth. After a couple of visits to the vet, a quarter sized abscess was discovered in her mouth. We think she got into some animal bones on a walk and did some damage under her tongue. Thankfully, she is recovering well and is back to her normal mellow, and stubborn, self.

My mom joined us to get a vacation from the Florida heat and we offered to take her to the local Elk's Lodge.
She wasn't excited until we showed her the park across the street...
... where they actually have a herd of Elk.
Gaylord is just off from I-75 and signs direct you to the Elk Viewing Area. The town is cute and it is a great place to stretch your legs.

The town even provided some scratching posts to help the Elk clean their coats.

The Perseid meteor shower also coincided with our visit. Skies here are lots darker than they are at home, so we spent a couple of clear nights looking up from Judy & Gary's deck. Beth wanted to try getting some shots of meteors, so we set-up the camera on a tripod. All shots were made at 1600 ISO using a Nikon D750 with a twenty-five year old 35-70 zoom lens at 35mm exposing for 30 seconds at f2.8.

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